What do you think of ABS?

[Piotrov]

Has anyone pulled their ABS fuse out?
Just curious if anyone likes it or not?
I just cant get used to it and thinking of pulling the fuse or just making
a switch.

[brandon6976]

unless you're experienced in pumping the brake under extreme braking I would keep it in. Otherwise you'll slide more.

[Pete00]

keep it...saved me so many times from idiotic drivers in front of me... :smile:

[Piotrov]

Its good on when you have lots of room and braking hard cuz you can
control where you go.
but in traffic you hit the brake and the car just keeps going.
But you guys are right ill probably keep it or just make a switch
for the track or Auto X :D :D :D

[B-WRX]

Its good on when you have lots of room and braking hard cuz you can
control where you go.
but in traffic you hit the brake and the car just keeps going.
But you guys are right ill probably keep it or just make a switch
for the track or Auto X :D :D :D

You'll probably want it on the track, especially when it's dry. Reason is if you threshold brake a little too hard, you will end up locking your wheels and flat spotting some expensive tires :nono:

On the street, I really hate the ABS especially in this snow. It seems to engage way to early and they you have to ride it out and hope for the best. I do have to say after driving GMs with ABS, they suck in comparision to the Toyota. GM will start screaming and clicking and pulsating at the slightest braking motion. Horrible.

[Piotrov]

Ok i guess ill keep it in and no switch :smile:
Thanks alot for the help!

[War]

I don't know what the gt has or if you are driving a gt or gts but here's my opinion.

I solo 2 race my car and have solo 1 raced my car and the abs is great.

1) for auto x / solo 2 the track surface is never as clean as you need it, it's never consistant, and there isn't enough rubber layed down in the area's you need it. ABS will help you stick and turn in all this crap where you just can't judge it that accurately and quickly with only 3 or 4 runs without the driving line clean and everyone using different lines.

2) the gt-s has force distraubtion 3 channel fast cycling abs. this means that it will apply more braking force to the tires that are gripping and that if just you front right tire locks it will ONLY pulse the front right, same goes for the front left. Hovever the rear is on one channel and if either wheel locks it will pulse both rear left and right at the same time.

3) during the solo 1 school (full road cource racing solo style, so 3 cars on track at a time, kinda like qualifying on a road course) we had 2 very experiance racers there, their opinions on abs were the same. If you have a late 90's or newer car with fast cycling abs keep it. They said that the new systems cycle so fast that there is little or no gain to threshhold breaking even for perfesional driver (as they were). They said they race with abs if it's a newer car because it is so much better and consistant.

ABS use to be a joke around the race track but now it's a desired system if it's a good quality abs system. Even formula 1 drivers want abs (and just as they got it the rules changed and they lost it) and they are some if not the best drivers in the world. The celica gt-s owns the braking record at sports compact car and it was running abs at the time, I don't remeber the exact length but it was something around 95 ft it think (60 to0).

[B-WRX]

Great post War :thumbup:

It stopped in 113ft :D

[War]

found it, Sports Compact Car August 2002, Volume 14, No. 8

Artical is called Celica Bash

They tested SCC (Sport Compact Car) project celica, Hotchkis Performance Celica, Toyota Pro/Celebrity Celica, and a Stock Celica all against each other.

60 to 0 times

Stock Celica - 107 ft

TRD Celica - 110 ft "The Celecrity Celica stopped in 110 feet, which is three feet longer than the stock car. this is likely due to its lack of ABS, whish all the other cars had. It's understandable that Toyota Motorsports would remove ABS on a racecar. However, we've preached the benefits of ABS on these pages before, and this is a perfect example why.

SCC Celica - 97 ft. (AEM big brake kit with stock calipers)

Hotchkis Celica - 97 ft. (Front Stoptech big brake rotor's with 4 piston Stoptech Caipers, rear is stock with Porterfield R$S pads) ""It's worth noting that the Hotchkis car would repeat this performance until our eyes bled, while out project car would experience fade after its third braking run."


"Until now the braking record was held by the M2 WRX we tested in the October 2001 issue at 105 feet. That maek has been lowered again and by a significant margin."

Hope that helps out.

[War]

on a side not here is a quote from the slalom results;

"We knew these cars would be fast in the slalom, but the numbers they produced blew us away. The hotchkis Celica bested our former slalom record by more than 3 mph and did so with remarkable consistency. The previous record stood at 73.8 mph and was held by Axis Sport Tuning's turbosharged MR2, which had a significant power advantage-a significant benefit in the slalom. The Hotchkis car destroyed the precedent by twisting its way through the cones at 76.9 mph-a record we think will stand for quite a while."

"Project Celica was up next and trounced the MR2'S old record as well, although, not quite as substantially. Posted a 75.2 mph average through our 700 feet of twisties would have been impressice, amazing even, on any other day."

just to let you know mods for hotchkis celica's car was;
TRD exhaust
TRD Clutch type LSD
Centerforce Clutch
all the hotchkis stuff (i'm not going to list it all)
Stoptech front brakes
Porterfield R3S rear brke pads
Adnam Model 6 wheels
Yok. A048 225 45 17's

*yes there engine didn't even have a CAI, just the exhaust, clutch, and LSD.

SCC Project mods
RMM intake and exhaust
APEXi Super AFC
Truechoice coil overs front and rear
Koni short body shocks and struts
Progress Technology rear anti-roll bar
AEM big brakes front and rear
Enkei LMF1 17" wheels
Toyo RA1 215 40 17 tires

[Piotrov]

WOW! that was very educational
Thanks man

[brandon6976]

definately a good breaking car. I think this spring I'm gonna get the brake pads changed to the Green Stuff breaks as mine are starting to feel kinda weak.

[War]

I got EBC green stuff pads last year, they are awsome. A little warning though make sure you and your passanger are wearing seat belts before you nail the brakes on these, otherwise you'll be going through the windshield.

[brandon6976]

I got EBC green stuff pads last year, they are awsome. A little warning though make sure you and your passanger are wearing seat belts before you nail the brakes on these, otherwise you'll be going through the windshield.

lol .. thats what I like to hear :thumbup:

[hedgehog]

IMOA Abs is crap. just something more to brake down and cost you money

[brandon6976]

hehe i hear it can be pretty sensitive but it does help a lot when under extreme braking

[Pole Position]

In my opinion, the engineering behind ABS is pretty damn amazing...

The main purpose of ABS is NOT to provide shorter braking distance, rather, it lets you have steering control when your wheels lock up. It does provide shorter braking distance, but not in all road surfaces. Under dirt or heavy snow, non-ABS actually stop shorter than ABS because of the wedge effect. However, you still lose steering control.

Manually pumping brakes will never have the same effect as ABS. ABS apply, hold, release then reapply up to 15 times per second.

I like the idea of having ABS because I know I will still have steering control when my wheels lock up.